Wheel Bearings VV Archived [Archive]

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:36 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:13:59 EST

From: Par429@aol.com

<VV> Wet Wheel Bearing

Hi-

A couple weeks ago as I was driving my '69 Monza I heard a 'twang' and my

speedometer stopped working. Busted cable, I thought. Last week, due to

repairs on my Fiero, I drove the Vair to work in the rain. I don't usually

drive the Vair in the rain. Anyway, this weekend, armed with a new speedo

cable in one hand and the Tech Guide in the other, I set about to replace the

cable. When I pulled off the grease cap off the wheel, I was a little

dismayed to have water pour out of the cap and bearing enclosure. When I

removed the speedo cable (cable broken about 7-8" from wheel end), sure

enough, the little seal was not there. Don't know how long its been like

this, but at least the 3 years I've owned this car. As I looked at the wet

greasy mess I decided that a repacking would be prudent, but I am wondering

if I should replace the bearings. Any advice? Should I replace the

bearings, or would an inspection and repacking be sufficient?

Thanks,

Phil Richardson

'69 Monza Coupe

'85 Fiero

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:38 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:59:17 EST

From: Sethracer@aol.com

Re: <VV> Wet Wheel Bearing

In a message dated 11/1/99 7:46:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Par429@aol.com

writes:

<< Any advice? Should I replace the

bearings, or would an inspection and repacking be sufficient?

>>

Try the re-sealing, inspection and repacking first. Then, after say, a

month, open it back up and check out the bearings. If they look okay, stay

with them. SInce it is November, you may, depending on where you live, have

to take weather into consideration. You may not want to replace a wheel

bearing in December! -Seth

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:41 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:15:02 EST

From: EUGENE1938@aol.com

Re: <VV> Wet Wheel Bearing

<< Any advice? Should I replace the

bearings, or would an inspection and repacking be sufficient? >>

Wheel bearings are very inexpensive. If it would give you peace of mind,

replace them. Other wise clean, inspect, and repack them. IMHO

Ed Corson

IECC

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:46 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:12:45 -0500

From: "wanda kaczmarek" <hankkacz@email.msn.com>

<VV> Bearings

Sorry but its hard to resist when talking parts.

I would highly recommend purchasing TIMKEN BEARINGS. They

are available at your local Autobone. One of the few Autozone items worth

going in the door for.

COME ON NOW HANK, WONT ANY BEARINGS DO???

TIMKEN bearings are made in only two Places. Canada, and the US

(actually in Lincolnton, NC which is about 9 miles from where I now live) .

Now some of you all out there may feel it necessary to buy the Southern

NAFTA bearings (hecho en Mexico), or support some of the present national

Administrations efforts to increase trade with the former Warsaw Pact

(bearings that say SLOVAKIA) or the Pacific rim (Bearings that say CHINA) on

them. (SORRY KEN W, BUT I JUST HAD TO TROLL FOR YA!!) This is of course

your choice. But I have seen lots and lots of bearings of the not USA or

northern NAFTA type welded to spindles, not just on Corvairs but on Escorts,

and Chrysler K cars, and lots of other pieces of gear. OTOH, I have never

thus far seen a Timken that welded itself to the spindle.

BUT HANK, WONT A FEDERAL MOGUL, OR OTHER US BRAND NAME BE OK???

NOPE, on account of if you check the bearing, it still says SLOVAKIA

MEXICO OR CHINA on the bearing.

I go with the following theory.

Do you want to trust your Vair spindles---no longer manufactured, on

bearings made by Mexicans who work for 28cents an hour?? If the pay and

conditions were so good, they wouldn't be runnning up here by the tens of

thousands to work here.

In the former USSR, they still havent realized that they pretended

to work, and the government pretended to pay them. Nearly every Eastern

Bloc vehicle save the Tatra isn't worth owning. Case closed there. Pretty

much the same story in China as well, with a communist government worrying

more about the number produced than the quality of the part.

MADE IN THE USA----when it comes to bearings, do the right thing and

keep your fellow citizens employed, they make a product worth buying HANK

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:48 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:40:49 EST

From: JVHRoberts@aol.com

Re: <VV> Bearings

So, come on, tell us how you REALLY feel!! And what about protectionism?

<flame suit on>

John

In a message dated 11/1/99 6:37:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hankkacz@email.msn.com writes:

<< NOPE, on account of if you check the bearing, it still says SLOVAKIA

MEXICO OR CHINA on the bearing.

I go with the following theory.

Do you want to trust your Vair spindles---no longer manufactured, on

bearings made by Mexicans who work for 28cents an hour?? If the pay and

conditions were so good, they wouldn't be runnning up here by the tens of

thousands to work here.

In the former USSR, they still havent realized that they pretended

to work, and the government pretended to pay them. Nearly every Eastern

Bloc vehicle save the Tatra isn't worth owning. Case closed there. Pretty

much the same story in China as well, with a communist government worrying

more about the number produced than the quality of the part.

MADE IN THE USA----when it comes to bearings, do the right thing and

keep your fellow citizens employed, they make a product worth buying HANK

>>

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:50 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:23:03 EST

From: Tjb1928@aol.com

Re: <VV> Bearings

hankkacz@email.msn.com writes:

<< TIMKEN BEARINGS. They

are available at your local Autobone. >>

Isn't that some kind of road in Germany?

Tom Baum

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:56 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:29:00 EST

From: NOSVAIR@aol.com

Re: <VV> Bearings

In a message dated 11/1/99 7:17:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

JVHRoberts@aol.com writes:

> So, come on, tell us how you REALLY feel!! And what about protectionism?

> <flame suit on>

> John

>

John,

Don't antagonise Hank! He's supposed to be lurking! Yeah, RIGHT!!!! <G>

Bruce

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:56 PM

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:53:58 -0500

From: "wanda kaczmarek" <hankkacz@email.msn.com>

<VV> Bearings

Sorry, but protectionism comes under the heading of POLITICS. We are not

allowed to discuss such a political subject on this list.

Very simply, the US makes the best quality bearing IMHO. If the best

bearing was made in Sri Lanka or Seoul, Tierra del Fuego or Timbuktu,

Thats the bearing I would endorse. Nuff Said HANK

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:58 PM

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:51:31 EST

From: JVHRoberts@aol.com

Re: <VV> Bearings

In a message dated 11/1/99 10:29:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, NOS VAIR writes:

<< John,

Don't antagonise Hank! He's supposed to be lurking! Yeah, RIGHT!!!!

<G>

Bruce >>

Oooooops.... sorry.. :)

Joe West

05-09-2005, 08:59 PM

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:53:19 EST

From: JVHRoberts@aol.com

Re: <VV> Bearings

OK............

In a message dated 11/1/99 11:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hankkacz@email.msn.com writes:

<< Sorry, but protectionism comes under the heading of POLITICS. We are not

allowed to discuss such a political subject on this list.

Very simply, the US makes the best quality bearing IMHO. If the best

bearing was made in Sri Lanka or Seoul, Tierra del Fuego or Timbuktu,

Thats the bearing I would endorse. Nuff Said HANK >>

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:00 PM

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:04:03 -0600

From: "Rick & Janet Norris" <ricjan@earth1.net>

Re: <VV> Bearings

Autobones is the result of total disassembly of your auto. Bones

everywhere!!

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:00 PM

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From: Tjb1928@aol.com <Tjb1928@aol.com>

To: Virtualvairs@skiblack.com <Virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:57 PM

Re: <VV> Bearings

>hankkacz@email.msn.com writes:

>

><< TIMKEN BEARINGS. They

> are available at your local Autobone. >>

>Isn't that some kind of road in Germany?

>Tom Baum

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Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:04 PM

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:11:00 -0500

From: Tony Underwood <tonyu@roava.net>

Re: <VV> Bearings

At 10:53 PM 11/1/99 -0500, wanda kaczmarek wrote:

> Very simply, the US makes the best quality bearing IMHO. If the best

>bearing was made in Sri Lanka or Seoul, Tierra del Fuego or Timbuktu,

>Thats the bearing I would endorse. Nuff Said HANK

Well... I put a bearing in my ragtop on the driver side front around 15

years ago, and the remarkable part about the bearing was not that it's

still running quiet and smooth but that it was manufactured by FAG

Kugelfisher in Schweinfurt Germany, which is famous for manufacturing

premium quality bearings since before WW-II. How they managed to end up

making a bearing that fits a late Corvair is a mystery... although I did

find that they have a distributer here in VA (Suffolk). Anyway, the

outfit manufacturers fine bearings... I also saw them often used in

military vehicles while I was serving in Germany, saw a number of wheel

bearings with FAG on them, seeing as how it was a running joke in the motor

pool about the name on the bearings... where ever they came from, they

must have been pretty good for Uncle Sam to use them in his trucks.

Another point of interest here is that I lived in Schweinfurt for 2 1/2

years, about a mile anna half from the FAG factory.

By the way, the place was still surrounded by land pockmarked with bomb

craters from WW-II... seems the place was a prime target for both the 8th

Air Force and British Air Command because of those bearing plants. It was

a costly target that was heavily defended and one instance with a combined

maximum effort strike to bomb the factories on Oct 14th 1943 resulted in

such severe losses to the 8th AF that to this day the date is still

referred to as "Black Thursday". It was the worst percentage of aircraft

losses in a single raid in USAF history. 60 B-17s and 600 men didn't come

back from the mission. Many more B-17s did manage to make it back carrying

dead men and in such rattling shot-up condition that they were declared

unairworthy (even after having flown hundreds of miles in such condition)

and scrapped. The USAF was so badly mauled that they couldn't mount

another maximum-effort bomb raid for nearly 6 weeks. It was a wakeup call

for the 8th in that they underestimated the ferocity of the defenders of

the industry in Schweinfurt, which also had its own airfield for

fighterplanes to defend the city against bombing raids. And to make it

worse, the 8th was told that when they did get their strength back up,

they'd have to go back to Schweinfurt and do it again because the factories

were back up and running again after only a couple of weeks. So, they went

back in and got their asses kicked again... in the end, the Schweinfurt

bearing plants became one of the most heavily bombed targets in Europe,

attacked 17 times by both the US and Brits, and they never did put the

factories out of commission.

Anyway, they still make fine bearings in Schweinfurt. I'd sure use an FAG

bearing before I'd trust one made in China...

Corvair content?

Most of the USAF's WW-II aircraft were recycled after the war, including

almost two thousand surviving B-17s. Most of the aluminum that began

showing up in industry through the 1950s-1960s was recycled airplanes.

It's likely that appx 15% of the aluminum in the typical Corvair engine was

dropping bombs over Germany during WW-II. Your storm door likely has some

B-17 in it as well.

But it gets better... hundreds of B-17s were parked on airfields in Europe

after the war during the occupation, and were scrapped In-situ rather than

return them to the US since the costs of transporting them back home was

more than what their scrap value would total. Talk about a waste... in

any event, much of the aluminum ended up in Germany to supplement their

shortage of raw materials to rebuild their infrastructure.

How much of that VW beetle engine was flying over Berlin more than 50 years

ago, both dropping bombs as well as fending the bombers off? Strange

stuff.

tony..

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:08 PM

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:06:30 -0600

From: "J R Read" <JRRead@worldnet.att.net>

Re: <VV> Bearings

I thought that we were trying to keep Corvairs OUT of the bone yard!

Later, JR

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:08 PM

- ----- Original Message -----

From: Rick & Janet Norris <ricjan@earth1.net>

To: <Tjb1928@aol.com>; <Virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:04 AM

Re: <VV> Bearings

> Autobones is the result of total disassembly of your auto. Bones

> everywhere!!

>

>

>

>

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:09 PM

-----Original Message-----

> From: Tjb1928@aol.com <Tjb1928@aol.com>

> To: Virtualvairs@skiblack.com <Virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

> Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:57 PM

> Re: <VV> Bearings

>

>

> >hankkacz@email.msn.com writes:

> >

> ><< TIMKEN BEARINGS. They

> > are available at your local Autobone. >>

> >Isn't that some kind of road in Germany?

> >Tom Baum

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05-09-2005, 09:16 PM

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:19 PM

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:00:05 -0500

From: "Louis C. Armer, Jr." <carmerjr@mindspring.com>

Re: <VV> Bearings

And hence the phrase: WAR IS HELL! Always.

da Chuckster

Chuck Armer

At 11:11 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote:

>At 10:53 PM 11/1/99 -0500, wanda kaczmarek wrote:

big snip

>By the way, the place was still surrounded by land pockmarked with bomb

>craters from WW-II... seems the place was a prime target for both the 8th

>Air Force and British Air Command because of those bearing plants. It was

>a costly target that was heavily defended and one instance with a combined

>maximum effort strike to bomb the factories on Oct 14th 1943 resulted in

>such severe losses to the 8th AF that to this day the date is still

>referred to as "Black Thursday". It was the worst percentage of aircraft

>losses in a single raid in USAF history. 60 B-17s and 600 men didn't come

>back from the mission. Many more B-17s did manage to make it back carrying

>dead men and in such rattling shot-up condition that they were declared

>unairworthy (even after having flown hundreds of miles in such condition)

>and scrapped. The USAF was so badly mauled that they couldn't mount

>another maximum-effort bomb raid for nearly 6 weeks. It was a wakeup call

>for the 8th in that they underestimated the ferocity of the defenders of

>the industry in Schweinfurt, which also had its own airfield for

>fighterplanes to defend the city against bombing raids. And to make it

>worse, the 8th was told that when they did get their strength back up,

>they'd have to go back to Schweinfurt and do it again because the factories

>were back up and running again after only a couple of weeks. So, they went

>back in and got their asses kicked again... in the end, the Schweinfurt

>bearing plants became one of the most heavily bombed targets in Europe,

>attacked 17 times by both the US and Brits, and they never did put the

>factories out of commission.

>

>Anyway, they still make fine bearings in Schweinfurt. I'd sure use an FAG

>bearing before I'd trust one made in China...

>

>Corvair content?

>

>Most of the USAF's WW-II aircraft were recycled after the war, including

>almost two thousand surviving B-17s. Most of the aluminum that began

>showing up in industry through the 1950s-1960s was recycled airplanes.

>It's likely that appx 15% of the aluminum in the typical Corvair engine was

>dropping bombs over Germany during WW-II. Your storm door likely has some

>B-17 in it as well.

>

>But it gets better... hundreds of B-17s were parked on airfields in Europe

>after the war during the occupation, and were scrapped In-situ rather than

>return them to the US since the costs of transporting them back home was

>more than what their scrap value would total. Talk about a waste... in

>any event, much of the aluminum ended up in Germany to supplement their

>shortage of raw materials to rebuild their infrastructure.

>

>How much of that VW beetle engine was flying over Berlin more than 50 years

>ago, both dropping bombs as well as fending the bombers off? Strange

>stuff.

>

>tony..

http://carmerjr.home.mindspring.com

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:43 PM

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:42:02 -0500

From: Sadek Charles H DLVA <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>

RE: <VV> Bearings

Bohunk Bros. Racing only races on SLOVAKIA bearings....yeah, right. We may

be the "Crazy Czech Brothers" but we aren't THAT slow!!!!! (Slow picking

bearings....on the track is another matter!)

Chuck

YS 73

>

Joe West

05-09-2005, 09:43 PM

-----Original Message-----

> From: wanda kaczmarek [SMTP:hankkacz@email.msn.com]

> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:13 PM

> To: VIRTUALVAIRS

> <VV> Bearings

>

> Sorry but its hard to resist when talking parts.

> I would highly recommend purchasing TIMKEN BEARINGS. They

> are available at your local Autobone. One of the few Autozone items worth

> going in the door for.

>

> COME ON NOW HANK, WONT ANY BEARINGS DO???

>

> TIMKEN bearings are made in only two Places. Canada, and the

> US

> (actually in Lincolnton, NC which is about 9 miles from where I now live)

> .

> Now some of you all out there may feel it necessary to buy the Southern

> NAFTA bearings (hecho en Mexico), or support some of the present national

> Administrations efforts to increase trade with the former Warsaw Pact

> (bearings that say SLOVAKIA) or the Pacific rim (Bearings that say CHINA)

> on

> them. (SORRY KEN W, BUT I JUST HAD TO TROLL FOR YA!!) This is of course

> your choice. But I have seen lots and lots of bearings of the not USA or

> northern NAFTA type welded to spindles, not just on Corvairs but on

> Escorts,

> and Chrysler K cars, and lots of other pieces of gear. OTOH, I have never

> thus far seen a Timken that welded itself to the spindle.

>

> BUT HANK, WONT A FEDERAL MOGUL, OR OTHER US BRAND NAME BE OK???

>

> NOPE, on account of if you check the bearing, it still says SLOVAKIA

> MEXICO OR CHINA on the bearing.

>

> I go with the following theory.

> Do you want to trust your Vair spindles---no longer manufactured, on

> bearings made by Mexicans who work for 28cents an hour?? If the pay and

> conditions were so good, they wouldn't be runnning up here by the tens of

> thousands to work here.

> In the former USSR, they still havent realized that they

> pretended

> to work, and the government pretended to pay them. Nearly every Eastern

> Bloc vehicle save the Tatra isn't worth owning. Case closed there.

> Pretty

> much the same story in China as well, with a communist government worrying

> more about the number produced than the quality of the part.

> MADE IN THE USA----when it comes to bearings, do the right thing

> and

> keep your fellow citizens employed, they make a product worth buying HANK

>

>

>

> ******************************

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Joe West

05-16-2005, 06:43 AM

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:07:38 -0600 (MDT)

From: Eric Marschner <emars@stakehouse.com>

<VV> front wheel bearing question

I just replaced the front right wheel bearings on my 68 Monza. My

65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then back off 1/6

turn. I did this. Now, when I turn the steering wheel (while driving),

there is a "ticking"-like noise coming from that wheel. I turn the

steering wheel just a bit, either way, and it makes that noise. Doesn't

seem to make it while going in a straight line. Never made the noise

pre-new bearings.

Any ideas?

Eric

http://www.angelfire.com/co/corvairsuperlink

Joe West

05-16-2005, 06:44 AM

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:23:33 -0700

From: Steve Goodman <rearengine.steve@worldnet.att.net>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

Eric Marschner wrote:

>

> I just replaced the front right wheel bearings on my 68 Monza. My

> 65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then back off 1/6

> turn. I did this. Now, when I turn the steering wheel (while driving),

> there is a "ticking"-like noise coming from that wheel. I turn the

> steering wheel just a bit, either way, and it makes that noise. Doesn't

> seem to make it while going in a straight line. Never made the noise

> pre-new bearings.

>

> Any ideas?

IT READS INCH POUNDS, should pull it up to about 10 foot lbs NOT 100.

Regards, Steve

>

> Eric

> http://www.angelfire.com/co/corvairsuperlink

>

><snip vv trailer>

Joe West

05-16-2005, 06:45 AM

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:30:59 -0400

From: "Norm Helmkay" <corvair@fan.net>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

My '61 manual says tighten to 80 INCH pounds then back off one flat.

I suspect if you tightened it to 100 FOOT pounds you may have ruined

the

bearing.

Norm

Joe West

05-16-2005, 06:46 AM

- -----Original Message-----

From: Eric Marschner <emars@stakehouse.com>

To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com <virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 10:25 PM

<VV> front wheel bearing question

>

> I just replaced the front right wheel bearings on my 68 Monza. My

>65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then back

off 1/6

>turn. I did this. Now, when I turn the steering wheel (while

driving),

>there is a "ticking"-like noise coming from that wheel. I turn the

>steering wheel just a bit, either way, and it makes that noise.

Doesn't

>seem to make it while going in a straight line. Never made the noise

>pre-new bearings.

>

> Any ideas?

>

>Eric

>http://www.angelfire.com/co/corvairsuperlink

>

>

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05-16-2005, 06:51 AM

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:51:19 -0600

From: "Garrie Fox" <gfox@rmi.net>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

Eric,

Yes, Eric my idea is fact::::::::::::::::

My '65 manual says inch pounds, not foot lbs.!!!! Go get another bearing,

you destroyed your new bearing.

Also, the '66 supplement says in the section 3: " Wheel bearing adjusting

nut torque should be 12 lbs. ft. This will apply to the 1965 Corvair as

well as the 1966 vehicle".

Having the proper reference texts will preclude problems like this.

Recommend you acquire the 1966 supplement and the CORSA Tech Tips. Sooner

or later the mistakes made will cost you more than the proper manuals.

REGARDS,

GARRIE FOX Pikes Peak Corvair Club, Colorado SPGS, Colorado

Joe West

05-16-2005, 06:52 AM

- ----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Marschner" <emars@stakehouse.com>

To: <virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:07 PM

<VV> front wheel bearing question

>

> I just replaced the front right wheel bearings on my 68 Monza. My

> 65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then back off 1/6

> turn. I did this. Now, when I turn the steering wheel (while driving),

> there is a "ticking"-like noise coming from that wheel. I turn the

> steering wheel just a bit, either way, and it makes that noise. Doesn't

> seem to make it while going in a straight line. Never made the noise

> pre-new bearings.

>

> Any ideas?

>

>

Joe West

05-16-2005, 07:00 AM

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:48:17 EDT

From: FrankCB@aol.com

<VV> front wheel bearing question

In a message dated 5/6/00 10:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

emars@stakehouse.com writes:

> My 65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then

Eric,

My 65 manual says "100 lbs inch" which is equal to about 8 lbs FEET of

torque. If you used a torque wrench that measures in "lbs ft", then 100 was

WAY TOO MUCH. You may have ruined the bearing. Just as you can't give your

speed in simply "miles" without saying "per hour", you can't give torque

measurements in "lbs" without saying "inches or feet".

This same problem also shows up in A/C units that are commonly rated in

BTUs, instead of the correct "BTU per HOUR". The public also has a similar

problem with electric power consumption referring to "kilowatts" (KW) when

they really mean KW-hours. Your home electric bill is based on KW-HRS

consumed, since KW by itself is merely the RATE of consumption and not the

actual quantity consumed.

Sorry to get carried away, but this is one of my (many) pet peeves.(:-)

Frank "units conscious" Burkhard

Joe West

05-16-2005, 07:07 AM

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:05:02 -0700

From: "Ron F Hinz" <ronh@owt.com>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

That's a very valid pet peeve.

RonH

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Joe West

05-16-2005, 07:08 AM

From: <FrankCB@aol.com>

To: <emars@stakehouse.com>

Cc: <virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 10:48 AM

<VV> front wheel bearing question

> In a message dated 5/6/00 10:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> emars@stakehouse.com writes:

>

> > My 65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then

>

> Eric,

> My 65 manual says "100 lbs inch" which is equal to about 8 lbs FEET of

> torque. If you used a torque wrench that measures in "lbs ft", then 100

was

> WAY TOO MUCH. You may have ruined the bearing. Just as you can't give

your

> speed in simply "miles" without saying "per hour", you can't give torque

> measurements in "lbs" without saying "inches or feet".

> This same problem also shows up in A/C units that are commonly rated

in

> BTUs, instead of the correct "BTU per HOUR". The public also has a

similar

> problem with electric power consumption referring to "kilowatts" (KW) when

> they really mean KW-hours. Your home electric bill is based on KW-HRS

> consumed, since KW by itself is merely the RATE of consumption and not the

> actual quantity consumed.

> Sorry to get carried away, but this is one of my (many) pet

peeves.(:-)

> Frank "units conscious" Burkhard

>

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05-16-2005, 07:09 AM

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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:29:06 -0400

From: Ken Wildman <k-wildman@onu.edu>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

At 04:05 PM 5/7/00 -0700, Ron F Hinz wrote:

>That's a very valid pet peeve.

>RonH

>

I understand that the Lone Haranguer had a peeve once, but it kept biting

him when he tried to pet it.

Anonymous. :)

Joe West

05-16-2005, 07:16 AM

From: <FrankCB@aol.com>

>To: <emars@stakehouse.com>

>Cc: <virtualvairs@skiblack.com>

>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 10:48 AM

> <VV> front wheel bearing question

>

>

>> In a message dated 5/6/00 10:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> emars@stakehouse.com writes:

>>

>> > My 65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then

>>

>> Eric,

>> My 65 manual says "100 lbs inch" which is equal to about 8 lbs FEET of

>> torque. If you used a torque wrench that measures in "lbs ft", then 100

>was

>> WAY TOO MUCH. You may have ruined the bearing. Just as you can't give

>your

>> speed in simply "miles" without saying "per hour", you can't give torque

>> measurements in "lbs" without saying "inches or feet".

>> This same problem also shows up in A/C units that are commonly rated

>in

>> BTUs, instead of the correct "BTU per HOUR". The public also has a

>similar

>> problem with electric power consumption referring to "kilowatts" (KW) when

>> they really mean KW-hours. Your home electric bill is based on KW-HRS

>> consumed, since KW by itself is merely the RATE of consumption and not the

>> actual quantity consumed.

>> Sorry to get carried away, but this is one of my (many) pet

>peeves.(:-)

>> Frank "units conscious" Burkhard

>>

>> ******************************

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Joe West

05-16-2005, 08:36 AM

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:31:35 -0400

From: Jim Simpson <simpsonj@bellatlantic.net>

Re: <VV> front wheel bearing question

When you say "100 pounds" do you mean 100 FOOT pounds or 100 INCH pounds?

Big difference there. The '65 shop manual calls "100 pound in" -- that is

100 inch pounds, or about 8.5 foot pounds. The '66 and later supplements

change that to 12 foot pounds.

If you torqued the bearings to 100 FOOT pounds, you may have done some

damage to either the bearings or the races. I'd pull it apart and take a

good look...

Jim Simpson, Group Corvair

At 08:07 PM 5/6/00 -0600, you wrote:

>

> I just replaced the front right wheel bearings on my 68 Monza. My

>65 shop manual says to tighten the crown nut to 100 lbs, then back off 1/6

>turn. I did this. Now, when I turn the steering wheel (while driving),

>there is a "ticking"-like noise coming from that wheel. I turn the

>steering wheel just a bit, either way, and it makes that noise. Doesn't

>seem to make it while going in a straight line. Never made the noise

>pre-new bearings.

>

> Any ideas?

>

>Eric

>http://www.angelfire.com/co/corvairsuperlink

>

>

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05-20-2005, 12:00 PM

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:09:08 -0400

From: Tony Underwood <tonyu@roava.net>

<VV> Re: Bearings

At 07:46 AM 8/23/00 -0400, JVHRoberts@aol.com wrote:

>Nah. The 'main' reason is to stiffen everything up. Flat 4's with three

mains

>have a HORRENDOUS bending moment around the center main. Flat sixes have it

>too to a lesser extent.

>

>John

In-line 4's have it too. Last little Fiat 4-banger I pulled apart had a

seriously worn middle main showing copper, outers weren't nearly so bad.

Steel crank too, practically a necessity with such a small engine,

particularly with such a light crank. Pick it up with one finger, and I

thought a 'Vair crank was light.

Of course, it's possible the Fiat crank was bent... not so easy to bend a

'Vair crank, which does have some serious support in its crankcase. They

seem to break rather than bend...

tony..

Joe West

05-23-2005, 08:49 AM

Joe West

06-02-2005, 07:22 AM

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:41:29 -0800

From: Lew Rishel <lewrish@tns.net>

<VV> bearing grease

As most of you know, or should by now, todays modern lubricating greases

are Lithium based, as opposed to the older sodium based stuff originally

used in Vairs. I'm not sure if you can even buy any sodium based stuff

from your local auto parts place any more. So, new blower and idler

bearings from the manufacturers now have what in them ? Lithium, most

likely, but what kind, EP, UP, SP, or what. Does anybody out there know

for absolutely certain sure ? And if so, how do you know.

lew

Joe West

06-02-2005, 08:13 AM

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:18:19 -0800

From: Allen Myers <Allen.Myers@komag.com>

<VV> Re: bearing grease

Hi Lew,

I was unaware of the Sodium content in our bearing grease. I have

generally avoided using Lithium-based grease, and continued using

Moly(bdenum)-based grease on the hard-driven parts on my cars. Don't know

what parts manufacturers are 'injecting'(?) into them. My guess on

suspension parts, etc. is that they use something just adequate enough to

combat moisture during storage... IMHO

Sometimes Chemically-Aware,

Joe West

06-02-2005, 08:13 AM

Allen Myers

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:41:29 -0800

From: Lew Rishel <lewrish@tns.net>

<VV> bearing grease

As most of you know, or should by now, todays modern lubricating greases

are Lithium based, as opposed to the older sodium based stuff originally

used in Vairs. I'm not sure if you can even buy any sodium based stuff

from your local auto parts place any more. So, new blower and idler

bearings from the manufacturers now have what in them ? Lithium, most

likely, but what kind, EP, UP, SP, or what. Does anybody out there know

for absolutely certain sure ? And if so, how do you know.

lew

Joe West

06-05-2005, 02:59 PM

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:01:49 EDT

From: Bluechipmach@aol.com

<VV> New Bearing for Rick

Hi Rick When you press in the new bearing ,just make sure you press on the

outer race. Pushing on the inner race could damage to the bearing.

Russ Davis Wakefield Runnin 64 and other junk!!

Joe West

06-08-2005, 08:02 AM

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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:55:18 EDT

From: rgubser <rgubser@zoomtown.com>

<VV> bearing identification

I have some new bearings I got in a pile of late-model stuff I recently bought and was wondering if anyone could identify them for me. The bearings are all Bower/BCA brand and the numbers on the boxes are A6, 207 SL and 1207 SLB. Can anyone tell me what these are for? Thanks.

Ralph Gubser

Cincinnati, OH

rgubser

e-mail: rgubser@zoomtown.com

Joe West

06-20-2005, 04:38 PM

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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:25:32 EDT

From: RCKJR1@AOL.COM

<VV> Fwd: Bearings V V #4583

Return-path: <RCKJR1@aol.com>

Joe West

06-24-2005, 08:40 AM

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:48:04 EST

From: N2VZD@AOL.COM

<VV> Re: bearings

ask the counter person to let you look at the bearing book. the back has a

section on dimensions...takes a while to sort it all out. they dont know how

to use the puter to do it yet it is a new program to them recently(at least

here) you have to pick a time that they are not busy and cozy up to them,

most will help you if you dont push too hard..such as "can i come back at a

better time? for more help?)...also in our area we have fedral mogul and

kaman bearing..get out the yellow pages. good luck they even have most vair

bearings....regards tim colson (dont ask them fer a water pump fer a vair )

Joe West

06-24-2005, 09:15 AM

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:20:42 -0800

From: "John McMahon" <jmac2112@adelphia.net>

<VV> bearing help

Thanks to all who have given me suggestions on where to get the ball bearing

I need! I will try the bicycle shops first, then the bearing houses,

McMaster Carr, etc.

John McMahon

Joe West

07-04-2005, 04:36 PM

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Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:47:08 EDT

From: PatioMatt@AOL.COM

<VV> Re:Greasing bearings

Hubbellscope writes:

> >I wonder how many of you zerk fitting advocates would grease your front

> wheel bearings this way?

>

>

I hate to tell you this.......but a few years ago as I was picking up my

derelict LM......I helped load an EM Spyder ridden vert..with a BOBCAT! onto

a dollie..backend 1st.....because the fronts were the only wheels that

turned......he thought....

When asked if he would "check" the fronts before heading to UTAH........ he

replied...." why??, they're going backwards.......by the time I get home

they should be almost NEW! and he made it ........at 70 mph!

So if you see an LM with "bearing buddies"...........don't even think it!

gggggg

Joe West

07-04-2005, 08:34 PM

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:55 -0400

From: vairologist@JUNO.COM

<VV> Re: Greasing bearings

Smitty says: I have been reading all this bearing greasing stuff and

wondering what the big hassle was about. People installing old hubs from

another car. Other people putting zork fittings in the spindles. I

figured "man this must be a nightmare".

Bill Hubbell brought a couple of hubs over today that had been pressed

apart by a machine shop for me to look at the bearings. After seeing

them I went out in back and got a hub I had out there for a project last

summer. Got my tools out and had the hub and bearings apart in about 15

minutes. Now I know the truth. You "Late" owners are a bunch of puss

wussies. All these posts this last week over a simple job like that. We

Early owners should be so lucky with the bearing problems we have.

Joe West

07-04-2005, 08:39 PM

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:31:44 -0700

From: corvairs <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>

Re: <VV> Re: Greasing bearings

vairologist@JUNO.COM wrote:

>Smitty says:

> Bill Hubbell brought a couple of hubs over today that had been pressed

>apart by a machine shop for me to look at the bearings.

>

Already been pressed apart - then you missed one of greatest parts of

this job.

> After seeing

>them I went out in back and got a hub I had out there for a project last

>summer. Got my tools out and had the hub and bearings apart in about 15

>minutes.

>

Sometimes you're lucky many times you're not.

> Now I know the truth.

>

As do we all.........

> You "Late" owners are a bunch of puss

>wussies. All these posts this last week over a simple job like that. We

>Early owners should be so lucky with the bearing problems we have.

>

All these posts because this is the internet...... Unca Lonald

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07-04-2005, 09:04 PM

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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:52:21 -0400

From: rckjr1@JUNO.COM

<VV> Bearings

Now, lemme get this straight. Yer sayin' that late bearings are better'n

early bearings, right? Hm-m-m-m-m. I think I hear the final trumpet!!!

What are we coming to???? Next you'll be puttin' an electric fuel pump

into "Spike," and doin' a hot valve adjust on him.....

Bob (one of the "wusses.") Kenan.

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09-11-2005, 04:34 PM

From jon.gilbert@adelphia.net Sat Mar 27 23:30:31 2004
From: jon.gilbert@adelphia.net (Jon Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:30:31 -0500
<VV> Bearing Lube Interval
Message-ID: <PIEDIDCNINCCPLMFFDLMAEIICLAA.jon.gilbert@adelphia. net>

Just a quick and hearty THANK YOU to everyone that helped me on my recent
front wheel bearing questions.

I got everything apart today, and although the bearings were in good shape,
there was a lot of grit and a lot of old, solidified grease in them. I
cleaned them all up, re-lubed, and reassembled. She's rolling once again.
Actually seems to coast better, but maybe just my imagination.

Next up: Rear wheel bearings, fuel tank sender, transmission pan reseal.

Thanks again!

_______________________________________

Jon Gilbert
'68 Monza Convt, 95hp, PG, Yellow/Black
Jupiter, FL
jon.gilbert@adelphia.net

Joe West

09-30-2005, 04:30 PM

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From: Songsbysteve@tampabay.rr.com (Songs by Steve)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:16:40 -0500
<VV> Trying to get my bearings....
Message-ID: <005a01c50e4d$64816740$6400a8c0@Main>

Hi, groupies,

Well, the other day, I was driving my '62, and I heard what sounded like
just may have, possibly, could have been. the beginning of some bearing
noise coming from the LR wheel. So, I'm trying to get my bearings on the
situation. really! I've seen a few bearings on Ebay. mostly NOS of the
"riveted type". I've also read in Clark's that Riveted NOS bearings should
be re-greased. does this mean they have to be dissassembled?.

Any recommendations on bearings? Does anyone have any available? I've seen
the ones at Clark's. $250-$300 per bearing for new ones. I also realize
that they're out there occasionally on Ebay. I'm sure that some of youze
in the VV community have something to say or recommend on this topic, or
maybe, a set of bearings that you know you will never need!

Thanks to all.

Stevie G.

St. Petersburg, FL

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