Swaybars VV Archived

[Joe West]

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:19:16 -0500

From: "Moose" <themoose@mindspring.com>

<VV> Swing and Sway



Hope everyone is getting ready for a great Thanksgiving...



I have a tremendous amount to be thankful for this year, but I will wait for

the annual Corvair "Giving Thanks" posting I am sure there will be...



Question: Anyone have any tricks for re-installing the front sway bar? I

was having a bear of a time trying to get this thing back on this morning,

and of course, laying on concrete with an 11 degree wind chill didn't make

it any easier... :)



moose

[Joe West]

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:01:01 -0600

From: Chris Busch <cbusch@medservelink.com>

RE: <VV> Swing and Sway



Make the sway bar to frame linkage loose.

[Joe West]

- -----Original Message-----

From: Moose [mailto:themoose@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:19 PM

To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com

<VV> Swing and Sway





Hope everyone is getting ready for a great Thanksgiving...



I have a tremendous amount to be thankful for this year, but I will wait for

the annual Corvair "Giving Thanks" posting I am sure there will be...



Question: Anyone have any tricks for re-installing the front sway bar? I

was having a bear of a time trying to get this thing back on this morning,

and of course, laying on concrete with an 11 degree wind chill didn't make

it any easier... :)



moose









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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:31:03 -0800

From: Holly and Chris Mills <scmills@tntech.edu>

<VV> General Sway bar question



In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

electrical conduit.



Am I seeing things?



Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!





CHRIS in Tennessee

scmills@tntech.edu

ICQ: 5944649



'78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

just dreaming.....)

'65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

'99 CR-V 5 speed

'49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

'81 Honda CB900C

[Joe West]

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:37:56 -0800

From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com>

<VV> Re: General Sway bar question



On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:31:03 -0800, Holly and Chris Mills wrote:



> In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> electrical conduit.

>

> Am I seeing things?

>

> Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!



Not quite sure what you mean by "electrical conduit", but hollow

aftermarket swaybars do exist.





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James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Website: http://members.home.net/jlindsay ICQ: #7521644

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A big enough hammer fixes anything

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[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:37:29 -0600

From: "Doug Pewterbaugh" <dpewter@email.msn.com>

<VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



I don't know from experience, but from what I have read (advertisements) &

what makes sense to me, the rods have to be made out of solid bar stock (&

somewhat tempered, at that) in order to provide much stability. I don't

think conduit would do anything at all.



Regards,

Doug Pewterbaugh

dpewter@msn.com

Denton, TX

49 3104 216 5-window



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<passat@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>; <vintagvw@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu>; <type2@type2.com>;

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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:31 AM

[oletrucks] General Sway bar question





> In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> electrical conduit.

>

> Am I seeing things?

>

> Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!

>

>

> CHRIS in Tennessee

> scmills@tntech.edu

> ICQ: 5944649

>

> '78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

> just dreaming.....)

> '65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

> '99 CR-V 5 speed

> '49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

> '81 Honda CB900C

> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:46:46 -0000

From: "Matt Nall" <DeckRug@netzero.net>

<VV> Re:General Sway bar question



Depending on the weight of the vehicle, as well as the amount of lean that

is experienced, a tubular SB can be used.



On my SS which only has 2" of suspension movement, and a weight of 1300lb.,

I use a 1" X 0.090" SB



Remember the swaybar is trying to pull / push one side of the body structure

/ weight to keep it level.

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:30:04 -0800

From: "Jon Elerath" <jelerath@home.com>

<VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



Sway bars are definitely NOT electrical conduit. They are solid steel bars

that are tempered, just as any spring. Conduit has virtually no spring

properties and no strength. Don't even begin to try to fabricate one from

conduit.



(Did I just fall for a different version of the "air cooled brake lines"

question?)



Jon

'53 3100

- ----- Original Message -----

From: Holly and Chris Mills <scmills@tntech.edu>

To: <914@rennlist.org>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>;

<honda-crv@egroups.com>; <hooligan_racing@topica.com>;

<passat@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>; <vintagvw@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu>; <type2@type2.com>;

[Joe West]

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<virtualvairs@skiblack.com>; <volkswagen-general@theautobahn.com>;

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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:31 PM

[oletrucks] General Sway bar question





> In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> electrical conduit.

>

> Am I seeing things?

>

> Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!

>

>

> CHRIS in Tennessee

> scmills@tntech.edu

> ICQ: 5944649

>

> '78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

> just dreaming.....)

> '65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

> '99 CR-V 5 speed

> '49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

> '81 Honda CB900C

> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:33:22 -0800

From: vwbillmay <vwbillmay@home.com>

<VV> Re: General Sway bar question



conduit is hollow sway bars are solid not tubes.

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:48:11 -0600

From: "Dr. Robert Hill" <baptistpastor@earthlink.net>

RE: <VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



any reason why we are getting this on VV ?!?!?!?!?



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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 3:30 PM

To: Holly and Chris Mills; 914@rennlist.org; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM;

honda-crv@egroups.com; hooligan_racing@topica.com;

[Joe West]

passat@blaze.cs.jhu.edu; vintagvw@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu; type2@type2.com;

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virtualvairs@skiblack.com; volkswagen-general@theautobahn.com;

mercedes-general@theautobahn.com

<VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question





Sway bars are definitely NOT electrical conduit. They are solid steel bars

that are tempered, just as any spring. Conduit has virtually no spring

properties and no strength. Don't even begin to try to fabricate one from

conduit.



(Did I just fall for a different version of the "air cooled brake lines"

question?)



Jon

'53 3100

- ----- Original Message -----

From: Holly and Chris Mills <scmills@tntech.edu>

To: <914@rennlist.org>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>;

<honda-crv@egroups.com>; <hooligan_racing@topica.com>;

<passat@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>; <vintagvw@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu>; <type2@type2.com>;

[Joe West]

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<virtualvairs@skiblack.com>; <volkswagen-general@theautobahn.com>;

<mercedes-general@theautobahn.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:31 PM

[oletrucks] General Sway bar question





> In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> electrical conduit.

>

> Am I seeing things?

>

> Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!

>

>

> CHRIS in Tennessee

> scmills@tntech.edu

> ICQ: 5944649

>

> '78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

> just dreaming.....)

> '65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

> '99 CR-V 5 speed

> '49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

> '81 Honda CB900C

> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959











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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:03:23 -0500

From: Jim Simpson <simpsonj@bellatlantic.net>

Re: <VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



No reason at all why a sway bar can't be hollow. A sway bar is, after all,

just a spring, but just not coiled up as we are used to seeing. Chrysler

used to use torsion bars -- straight springs -- on their cars and they work

just fine.



When you put a torsional load on a bar (trying to twist it), the forces are

all at or near the surface of the bar. The center contributes very little

to resisting the twisting action. Actually, about all the center does is

add weight. So if you want to minimize weight for a given spring rate

(anti-sway/anti-roll action), then a hollow sway bar is the way to go. The

problem is in the manufacturing. If you want a typical sway bar -- one

bent like a pretzel to fit around the various suspension components as the

typical car uses -- it's much easier to bend a solid bar than keeping a

hollow tube intact. Usually, you'll see hollow sway bars as a tube going

across the car with arms attached to the ends that go to the suspension

attachment points.



I don't see why you couldn't do it on a Corvair, but it would require some

custom attachment points and other fabrication. On the other hand, I don't

think conduit would be a good starting point in terms of materials.



Jim Simpson, Group Corvair



At 11:37 AM 2/19/01 -0600, Doug Pewterbaugh wrote:

>I don't know from experience, but from what I have read (advertisements) &

>what makes sense to me, the rods have to be made out of solid bar stock (&

>somewhat tempered, at that) in order to provide much stability. I don't

>think conduit would do anything at all.

>

>Regards,

>Doug Pewterbaugh

>dpewter@msn.com

>Denton, TX

>49 3104 216 5-window

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: Holly and Chris Mills <scmills@tntech.edu>

>To: <914@rennlist.org>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>;

><honda-crv@egroups.com>; <hooligan_racing@topica.com>;

><passat@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>; <vintagvw@sjsuvm1.sjsu.edu>; <type2@type2.com>;

>

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><mercedes-general@theautobahn.com>

>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:31 AM

> [oletrucks] General Sway bar question

>

>

> > In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> > the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> > electrical conduit.

> >

> > Am I seeing things?

> >

> > Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!

> >

> >

> > CHRIS in Tennessee

> > scmills@tntech.edu

> > ICQ: 5944649

> >

> > '78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

> > just dreaming.....)

> > '65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

> > '99 CR-V 5 speed

> > '49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

> > '81 Honda CB900C

> > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959

>

>

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te: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:37:41 -0500

From: vairologist@juno.com

<VV> Re: Subj: Hollow sway bars. (Not likely Corvair)



> Re: <VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question

>

> No reason at all why a sway bar can't be hollow. A sway bar is,

> after all, just a spring

- -------------------snip-------------------

Smitty says: As Jim says, sway bars can be hollow, and as a matter of

fact are on several of the more expensive cars as well as lots of open

wheel race cars. Nearly the same twist resistance as solid for a given

diameter and with a lot less weight.

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:50:19 -0500

From: Grant Galbraith <trks@javanet.com>

<VV> Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



I can assure they are not made from electrical conduit, which is hollow soft

tubing, but rather 1 and 1/8 solid spring steel. The bushings are

polyurethane. I use a sway bar on my 50 and feel it's worth every penny.

Next to radial tires its the best handling improvement I've made. Nice flat

cornering. Sold by many but made by ADCO.



Grant

50 Chevy 3100

52 GMC 150



Holly and Chris Mills wrote:



> In some of the books on my shelf and I think in some of my old catalogs,

> the sways look like they are simply made from varying sizes of steel

> electrical conduit.

>

> Am I seeing things?

>

> Seems like a cheap sway bar for some applications!

>

> CHRIS in Tennessee

> scmills@tntech.edu

> ICQ: 5944649

>

> '78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

> just dreaming.....)

> '65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

> '99 CR-V 5 speed

> '49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

> '81 Honda CB900C

> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:31:39 EST

From: JBurkhard@aol.com

<VV> Re: Re: [oletrucks] General Sway bar question



In a message dated 02-19-01 17:21:15 Eastern Standard Time,

baptistpastor@earthlink.net writes:



> any reason why we are getting this on VV ?!?!?!?!?



Probably becuase somebody asked about it. Yes, they crossposted to some VW

folks, but it was a relevant question for both. It's OK with me, certainly

more interesting than a lot of way off topic stuff and one liners directed

from one individual to another (I can never figure out why VV has to see

those...)



Jim



Jim

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:03:52 -0000

From: "Matt Nall" <DeckRug@netzero.net>

<VV> Re: Hollow sway bars.



>Smitty says: As Jim says, sway bars can be hollow, and as a matter of

>fact are on several of the more expensive cars as well as lots of open

>wheel race cars. Nearly the same twist resistance as solid for a given

>diameter and with a lot less weight.





We'll the SS may not be expensive...but it's open wheeled for sure!

ggggggggggg

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:01:49 -0600

From: "Rick & Janet Norris" <ricjan@earth1.net>

Re: <VV> Re: General Sway bar question



Well guys, the front sway bar on my Corv 8 from Bob Coffin of the shop is

hollow, heavy wall tubing!



Rick Norris

First President, CORSA 1971

E-Mail ricjan@earth1.net

Web Page www.earth1.net/~ricjan







> conduit is hollow sway bars are solid not tubes.

>

> ******************************

[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:37:21 -0600

From: "Rick & Janet Norris" <ricjan@earth1.net>

Fw: <VV> Re: General Sway bar question



> Well guys, the front sway bar on my Corv 8 from Bob Coffin of the shop is

> hollow, heavy wall tubing!

>

> Rick Norris

> First President, CORSA 1971

> E-Mail ricjan@earth1.net

> Web Page www.earth1.net/~ricjan

>

>

>

> > conduit is hollow sway bars are solid not tubes.

> >

> > ******************************

>

>

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:13:38 -0800

From: Holly and Chris Mills <scmills@tntech.edu>

<VV> Dumb swaybar question - thanks (bit long)



Well thanks for the informative answers on the homemade sway bars from

electrical conduit.



I haven't hunted out the old books yet but I guess I was seeing things.



A friend reminded me that an old sports car book we both own does explain

how to make sway bars but it requires heat treating at the end. Can't think

of how I'd do that at home.



The basic consensus was that sway bars can be hollow but they certainly are

not made with electrical conduit which will bend and stay bent (like it is

supposed to...) and will really offer little resistance since it's designed

o be bent easily and it thin walled.



I have found some cheap solutions to some expensive problems before (by

passing the after market) and thought maybe this was one too.



As many of you noticed - and a few complained - the question was cross

posted on about 7 lists, and I figured that each list would get it's own

clean copy with no reference to the other lists. Just trying to use the

computer to save some effort of actually composing each list's post.



Everyone got a copy but each got a pretty busy bunch of addresses.



I cross posted the question to get a good variety of answers since each

list has it's 'experts'. It was a general question that applies to any car

or truck so I didn't expect to see any complaints. I think the ones I did

see were because folks were concerned about the many address at the top.



Thanks again everyone for all the answers!





CHRIS in Tennessee

scmills@tntech.edu

ICQ: 5944649



'78 VW Westfalia (maybe some CIS injection,Corvair, turbos --- maybe I'm

just dreaming.....)

'65 Beetle (Type IV powered)

'99 CR-V 5 speed

'49 Chevy 3100 Pickup

'81 Honda CB900C

[Joe West]

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:05:28 -0500

From: Bryan Blackwell <bryan@colltech.com>

Re: <VV> Dumb swaybar question - thanks (bit long)



The problem with crossposting is that when (not if) the thread wanders off the

original topic, it goes to a whole bunch of lists. If you don't want to

re-type, just copy 'n' paste. BTW, posting the summary of answers like you

did is a great practice.



- --

Bryan Blackwell bryan@skiblack.com

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9164

'61 Corvair Lakewood, '64 Corvair Greenbrier, '65 Corvair Corsa, '66 E-type,

'69 Road Runner, '76 Ford F-250, '88 Acura Integra, '99 Neon R/T

"Why do something if you're not going to obsess about it?"

[Joe West]

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:32:11 EST

From: JVHRoberts@aol.com

Re: <VV> installing a modern front suspension



Actually, R&P is better. The components deflect a LOT less, and it's lower in

friction, hence, better road feel. Proper placement of the rack will also

give proper Ackerman, even on a Corvair front suspension.

However, why would the Mustnag II SLA front end be better than the Corvair

SLA front end? Is there something inherently better about its geometry?

Also, good handling probably depends, for most people, on the proper

selection of spring rates, shock rates, and anti sway bar stiffnesses. These

factors will do more than swapping a suspension system EVER will!!



IMHO...



John



n a message dated 3/25/2001 9:45:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

airvair@richnet.net writes:



<< Weldvair@aol.com wrote:



> Next week I will begin installing a Mustang II front suspension in a 66

yenko

> clone. I have installed aprox 25 of these front end in early streetrods,

> but not in a Corvair, I will document this procedure for reference. If you

> are wondering why????

> !. disc brakes



Conversion kits are available from Corvair vendors, so again Why?



> 2. R&P steering(mfg by flaming river)



What's so great about rack&pinion. IMHO it's no better.



> 3. better autocross handling



After the conversion? That's debatable.



> 4. cheap parts: i.e. new rotors drilled for a Chevy bolt pattern are

> $69.00/pr.brand new Quick ratio R&P - $200.00.



But the conversion isn't cheap!



> stay tuned for pictures & driving comparison ...........cheers Don n



But best of luck anyway.



-Mark



"People sometimes do the wackiest things, like put an engine in the wrong

end of

the car. If they wanted a front engine car, they'd be better to start with

one in

the first place." >>

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:16:52 EDT

From: GYoungwolf@AOL.COM

<VV> Need a swaybar



I have a homemade Covair trike-in-progress (and no computer) customer who

wants to find an aftermarket rear anti-sway bar for a 1963 Corvair (or very

similar) rear suspension. This is going to be a PG unit with the engine

oriented in the standard position. He is also looking for suggestions for

rear springs due to the decreased weight (he is concerned about the trike

having the "VW stance" when completed). Thanks in advance for a private

reply on any leads for this.

Grant

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:20:39 -0700

From: "Matt Nall" <deckrug@netzero.com>

Re: <VV> TRYKE swaybar /springs



Why private? Several on this list have the same/simular vehicles.



Use Front springs for a "cushy ride" and rear 64's [ 40% softer] if this

thing is a tunaboat [heavy]. NO Flapper leaf! ggg



Buy a swaybar from Lon, etc. and mount above the engine with links down to

the lower arms...



Check out Warren's Levair on the Fastvair files pages and / or my

Speedskater on

http//members.aol.com/patiomatt





Matt Nall aka PatioMatt

CORSA / WCC / CCC member

- ----- Original Message -----



: I have a homemade Covair trike-in-progress (and no computer) customer who

: wants to find an aftermarket rear anti-sway bar for a 1963 Corvair (or

very

: similar) rear suspension. This is going to be a PG unit with the engine

: oriented in the standard position. He is also looking for suggestions for

: rear springs due to the decreased weight (he is concerned about the trike

: having the "VW stance" when completed). Thanks in advance for a private

: reply on any leads for this.

: Grant

[Joe West]

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:01:44 -0400 (EDT)

From: "Ryon Lucke" <jryonlucke@excite.com>

<VV> sway bars



One of the aftermarket front swaybars made for late models used square tubing to anchor the bar into the suspension crossmember. Does anybody remember what brand this was, and does anyone going to the Vair Fair have one for sale? For that matter, does anyone have one for sale anywhere- they don't weigh much to ship.



- ------------------------------------------------

[Joe West]

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:33:46 -0400

From: Sadek Charles H DLVA <SadekCH@NSWC.NAVY.MIL>

RE: <VV> sway bars



Bob Coffin makes them. Dryenko@mindspring.com



Chuck S

YS73



> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ryon Lucke [SMTP:jryonlucke@excite.com]

> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:02 PM

> To: virtualvairs@corvair.org

> Subject: <VV> sway bars

>

> One of the aftermarket front swaybars made for late models used square

> tubing to anchor the bar into the suspension crossmember. Does anybody

> remember what brand this was, and does anyone going to the Vair Fair have

> one for sale? For that matter, does anyone have one for sale anywhere-

> they don't weigh much to ship.

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:38:21 +0000

From: "Jeff Pachl" <pachlj@hotmail.com>

<VV> Front Sway Bar



Hi all,



Now that I sit down, it seems that my first post is a silly question, but

I need to know!



I recently had the front end of my '67 Convertible (Monza). The mechanic

did nice work, but noted that the front sway bar (stabilizer) fits VERY

close to the fuel tank strap. In fact it is in contact with it. Yet it

would appear to be quite low if it were flipped over. He claimes to have

installed it like it came off, which may be, of course. It could have been

improperly installed some time ago.



Any thoughts? I love the discussion VV has; you all are great!



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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:32:55 -0700

From: "Drew Bailey" <davamanra@cox.net>

<VV> Sway bars and cosigners,etc.



You can spring steel and bend bars but don't bounce checks! <ggg>

Sorry. Had to get it out of my system! Good point, Matt. Everyone's been

so busy trying to remember what they forgot in their math classes, we all

forgot that spring steel don't bend!

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:50:54 -0700

From: "Tim Purcell" <Tim.Purcell@ind.alcatel.com>

Re: <VV> Sway bars and cosigners,etc.



Actually the bar is 4130 chrome moly, and is tubular (I didn't add that, since I

didn't want to add confusion).



As an interesting side note: I was also told that the tubular bars tend to

stretch a bit when bent, and the amount of length lost will likely be less than

mathematically calculated.







Drew Bailey wrote:



> You can spring steel and bend bars but don't bounce checks! <ggg>

> Sorry. Had to get it out of my system! Good point, Matt. Everyone's been

> so busy trying to remember what they forgot in their math classes, we all

> forgot that spring steel don't bend!

>

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:48:10 -0400

From: JWCorvair@AOL.COM

<VV> WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



Hi,



I'm looking for an Addco front sway bar for an EM. I have a 62 sedan I'm currently rebuilding. The can did not have any sway bars before and I was given a new rear Addco sway bar. A new or near new bar would be great, but I'm cheap, so let me know if you have one to sell. By the way, I live in Boulder, CO, so shipping is a condsideration.



Regards - Joe White

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:55:14 -0700

From: corvairs <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>

<VV> Re: [fastvair] WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



We sell them - but you should know that the ADDCO bars assume you are

"upgrading" to thier bar - In other words, unlike thier other bar kits,

the early front kits do not include the components necessary to add a

bar where none has been before (such as on a 1964 or a 62-63 Spyder). Lon



www.corvairunderground.com



jwcorvair@aol.com wrote:



>Hi,

>

>I'm looking for an Addco front sway bar for an EM. I have a 62 sedan I'm currently rebuilding. The can did not have any sway bars before and I was given a new rear Addco sway bar. A new or near new bar would be great, but I'm cheap, so let me know if you have one to sell. By the way, I live in Boulder, CO, so shipping is a condsideration.

>

>Regards - Joe White

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:22:13 -0700

From: "Robert S. Wilkinson" <wilk@cellbio.wustl.edu>

<VV> WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



Joe,



A good front bar would be from a 64 donor--any model. Bigger than 62-3

spider bar. You need brackets plus lower control arms (with clips), too

(absent from Addco kit). Deep-six the rear Addco bar (even though it's a

complete kit). It does just the opposite as what you want (and what the 64

rear suspension does)--it adds roll stiffness (64 subtracts it). More

oversteer, more weight transfer to rear outer wheel from the other three

wheels in corners. Front bar GOOD (more understeer, more weight transfer

from rear to front in corners), rear bar BAD on swing axle car! When I

added an Addco rear bar in the seventies I wanted it to work but it made

the car twitchy. When I removed it it was a big improvement--finally got

my money's worth.



Robert Wilkinson

63 conv



I'm looking for an Addco front sway bar for an EM. I have a 62 sedan I'm

currently rebuilding. The can did not have any sway bars before and I was

given a new rear Addco sway bar. Regards - Joe White



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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:12:24 -0700

From: corvairs <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>

Re: <VV> WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



When the ADDCO bar was installed did it give you positive camber? Lon





>Joe,

>

> When I

>added an Addco rear bar in the seventies I wanted it to work but it made

>the car twitchy. When I removed it it was a big improvement--finally got

>my money's worth.

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:34:51 -0500

From: Robert Wilkinson <wilk@cellbio.wustl.edu>

Re: <VV> WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



Hi Lon,



It was a pure anti-sway bar--didn't change camber of anything else unless

the two wheels were in different positions, just like a front bar. It just

rotated in its bushings in bump/rebound if both wheels did the same thing

(as in weight jacking). Exactly the opposite of a "z" bar--which would

provide more stiffness during coordinated up-down movement, but allow one

wheel to go up provided the other went down. Not like a camber compensator

either--similar in action to a z bar. Note that only the 64 setup--which

is essentially a camber compensator-like transverse spring that SUBSTITUTES

for some of the coil spring stiffness--actually reduces rear roll stiffness

in absolute terms, as desired for swing axles. The car had (has) static

negative camber by the way, due to stock HDS convertible springs. I hope

you don't sell the Addco bar--they obviously designed it as if the Corvair

were just like a front engine car.



Bob Wilkinson

63 convert



ps. Sorry for the word "spider" in my last post--I have an Alfa and I'm

verbally challenged anyway.



At 01:12 PM 5/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>When the ADDCO bar was installed did it give you positive camber? Lon



>>Joe,

>>

>> When I

>>added an Addco rear bar in the seventies I wanted it to work but it made

>>the car twitchy. When I removed it it was a big improvement--finally got

>>my money's worth.

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:50 -0700

From: corvairs <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>

Re: <VV> WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



Of course we sell the ADDCO bars - as previously stated today! We have

sold a lot of them and haven't had any complaints - so your comments are

new to us. Bottom line is that you didn't like the way the car handled

(I don't either with some aftermarket suspension "improvements") but -

"liking" the way a car handles is a subjective point of view (why

everyone doesn't drive Corvairs?). Now, as for your technical

explaination, I'm in no position to refute it, but what would be your

explaination for why everyone else didn't feel there was a problem? Lon



Robert Wilkinson wrote:



>Hi Lon,

> I hope

>you don't sell the Addco bar--they obviously designed it as if the Corvair

>were just like a front engine car.

>

>Bob Wilkinson

[Joe West]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:59:26 -0500

From: Robert Wilkinson <wilk@cellbio.wustl.edu>

<VV> Re: WTB Front Swaybar for an EM



Here's something non-technical that I offer to clarify my point, and to

consider before buying an ADDCO rear anti-sway bar for an EM. With a sway

bar, if both wheels move up and down together, the swaybar just pivots,

doing nothing. If the wheels move in opposite directions, the swaybar

resists (as in a roll). Compare that to GM's "add on" in '64--the

transverse leaf (or a camber compensator). If both wheels move up and down

together, the leaf resists. If the wheels move in opposite direction (as in

a roll), the leaf just pivots, doing nothing. They are dead opposites.

Unless neither does anything at all, one design must be right and the other

wrong. I don't know why people misuse aftermarket sway bars, but they do,

including in the front of front engine cars. I think that some people

associate extreme roll reduction with increased performance, even if the

inside tire is off the ground. But on all cars, roll stiffness should be

balanced. On an early Corvair, this means increasing roll stiffness at

front with a swaybar, and decreasing it at rear with a transverse spring, etc.



Robert Wilkinson

63 Conv



Of course we sell the ADDCO bars - as previously stated today! We have

>sold a lot of them and haven't had any complaints - so your comments are

>new to us. Bottom line is that you didn't like the way the car handled

>(I don't either with some aftermarket suspension "improvements") but -

>"liking" the way a car handles is a subjective point of view (why

>everyone doesn't drive Corvairs?). Now, as for your technical

>explaination, I'm in no position to refute it, but what would be your

>explaination for why everyone else didn't feel there was a problem? Lon

[Joe West]

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:47:11 +0100

From: "Mike Ioanes1" <mioanes@hotmail.com>

Re: <VV> Front end, too



Mike writes,

" The forward and the aft bolt on the right side have busted their

nutplates

and spin freely."

I'd try cutting the bolt heads off, probably with my Dremel and lots of

cutting discs. If you have access to any "heavier artillery", by all

means

use it. Have no personal experience, but this has always been one of my

fears when working on my 64.

Mike Ioanes



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[Joe West]

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:13:00 -0400 (EDT)

From: "/U=TSUTERPAPER MAIL/O=MDb/TN=(419) 531-8610/FFN=Thomas Suter/"@CHESS.EISC.ORG (419)

Re: Sway bar bushing

To: CORVAIR@SHADOW.MITRE.ORG



Well, there are times I wish I could just slink off and die.



After reading a message from Greg Hanlin and a post from Bryan, I

realized my "problem" is a complete mental lapse for not

remembering the clamp tab goes into a slot in the lower control

arm. I assembled the left side correctly, and totally missed

doing that on the right side -- more than once. No wonder the

clamp bent.



With thanks and a red face,

Tom Suter

Edison Industrial Systems Center

Tom.Suter@eisc.org





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[Joe West]

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT)

From: "Kenneth D. Rolt" <krolt@mansvr.sanders.lockheed.com>

Re: Sway bar bushing

To: "Virtual 'Vairs" <corvair@shadow.mitre.org>



On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, 419 wrote:



> Well, there are times I wish I could just slink off and die.



or in my case, crawl under a rock (see Time Zone and Portland mini

Convention confusion, by Ken)...



> After reading a message from Greg Hanlin and a post from Bryan, I

> realized my "problem" is a complete mental lapse for not

> remembering the clamp tab goes into a slot in the lower control

> arm. I assembled the left side correctly, and totally missed

> doing that on the right side -- more than once. No wonder the

> clamp bent.



the problem, if I can "Don" my doctor's thinking cap (and I'm

sure the "other" Dr. Ken will concur with my diagnosis), is

that the right side of your brain works properly (hence left side

fixed correctly), but the left side of your brain (right bracket

missed) has a defective rubber bushing.



Order one from Clark's and have the other group Tom S. install

it for you. humor.... arf arf. - Ken

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Kenneth D. Rolt, Ph.D. kdrolt@sanders.com

Sanders ASW, a Lockheed Martin Company

MAN 6-2100 / P.O. Box 868 603 / 645-5750

Nashua, NH 03061-0868 U.S.A. fax: 603 / 645-5731

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'64 Corvair Monza 95/3 cvt '66 Dodge A100 Campwagon 225/A727

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From: toms@ihs.com (Tom Stockman)

Re: Sway bar bushing

To: corvair@shadow.mitre.org

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:46:20 -0600 (MDT)



Kdrolt wrote...



> the problem, if I can "Don" my doctor's thinking cap (and I'm

> sure the "other" Dr. Ken will concur with my diagnosis), is

> that the right side of your brain works properly (hence left side

> fixed correctly), but the left side of your brain (right bracket

> missed) has a defective rubber bushing.

>

> Order one from Clark's and have the other group Tom S. install

> it for you. humor.... arf arf. - Ken



If I "ken" do a '61 front end, I can certainly take a stab at a brain

bracket...lessee, is the left side determined by standing in front of

the brain in question, & working on the lobe on my left, or is this

bracket on the "driver's side"?



Don't answer that!



Tom Stockman, toms@ihs.com Information Handling Services

Morrison, Co Englewood, Co

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'61 Corvair Lakewood SW fondly known as Denver's ugliest car

'67 Datsun 1600 Roadster still ticking after 300k miles

'89 Corolla All-Trac Sedan stoutest car in Denver

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:10:25 -0700

From: Les Honke <Honke@strathcona.ab.ca>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

Front sway bar orientation?



I think this one got lost on the weekend...



I'm reassembling the front suspension on my '65 and am ready to bolt up

the sway bar. There is an offset in the middle of the bar about 2" or so.

When assembled, this offset could go either up (for more ground

clearance) or down (for more room for the gas tank). Which way is the

thing supposed to go? The books aren't clear and the parts car is under

3' of snow and it's -30 C today...



(Did you know that Delco still has an exact front shock? When I bought

mine in the fall they listed 10 (now 8!) available in the Canadian

warehouse. This is the AC/Delco 'Gas Performer' which is a gas cushion

type shock - it does not extend on its own like the gas shocks I'm used to,

not sure what good the 'gas' is doing then! It does not come with the

large top bushing, I needed to get that separately)



=========================================

Les Honke 65 Corsa Cvt 140/4

Technical Analyst Red/Black/White

Strathcona County Resto in Progess

Honke@strathcona.ab.ca Canadian Car! 8-)

=========================================



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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:55:10 GMT

From: z9002585@zoo.co.uk (Alan Wesson)

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Front sway bars (was =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22You_can=27t_believe=8A=29?=



I wrote:



<<Your thing about the sway bar loading the outer front wheel in cornering

is interesting - on p.32 of the Brooklands Books road test book on the

Corvair (if you have it) there is a picture which would seem to support

just that point, showing a cornering 64 with the body leaning more at the

front than the rear, and with the front tyre looking also as if it's more

loaded!>>





I now write:



Oops again! Just had another look at that page and it's a 61, not a 64, so

it doesn't have a front sway bar!



Not sure what to make of that=8A!



Cheers



Alan







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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:37:05 -0500 (EST)

From: Sethracer@aol.com

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Sway Bars and Handling



Much has been written about sway bars on Corvairs. I have done a bit of

experimentation and thought I would pass along some experience. Three

different front sway bars came as OEM on Corvairs. The 62-63 had a small one,

(as an option) the 64 a slightly larger one standard, and the 65-69 an even

larger one, standard. The bar itself, with some creative plastic/rubber

bushing swapping can be swapped to any other year Corvair that came with a

bar. For many years, SCCA allowed you to swap a front bar with another OEM

bar, but didn't allow additions. (No rear bar could be added.) I swapped

front bars to an early model on my 65 stock class car in 1980. True to

previously mentioned notes, the car oversteered more. This was exactly what I

wanted for autocrossing. The car took the SF Region F-stock title for that

year. I hardly drove it on the street, though. PS - SCCA has changed the

rules and allows rear bars to be added in stock class. For the 1993 Corsa

Convention in San Jose, I prepared a 1965 Corsa into a Stinger. The car had

been run for several years in the SCCA Street Prepared class.(88-89 Champion)

I had run it with Crown bars installed front and rear. (1" front and 7/8"

rear). For some reason the rear bar was off before the convention. I

mentioned this to Warren Leveque at the Convention Coucours. He suggested and

even offered to install the rear bar before the Autocross (and did). The

difference of the rear bar probably allowed several drivers to run who

otherwise couldn't have. The car steered much easier with that rear bar on.

With both bars on the car oversteered more than I wanted on the street, but

perfect for the slower autocross course. Shift to Summer 1997, Lake Placid.

Ken Holm had carried about everything but the Kitchen Sink home to Maine when

he bought the car, including a 3/4" rear bar with which I had replaced the

7/8" one. At Lake Placid he brought the car with no rear bar installed. The

final corner showed what agressive driving could do as even my daughter

lifted the inside front wheel several inches into the air. All that weight

was being transferred to the outside wheels, front and rear. A month later at

Lime Rock, Ken had reinstalled the rear bar and the car became much more

drivable (vs. "tossable") and was a joy to drive around the road racing

track. Chevy originally installed the front bar to limit the oversteering

tendencies of the early Corvair. By 1965 they not only had eliminated the

oversteer, the had shifted to understeer. Many US cars have slight (and in

some cases, heavy) understeer. This is considered to be the preferred (safe)

handling mode. If you have 250 horsepower at your command, you can usually

overcome that understeering tendency with power oversteer. The Corvair is

unlikely to have that much power available. So, the late model can benefit

from creative swapping to give a slight oversteer under power, almost perfect

for autocross competition, and some would say, just right for "Sporting"

driving on the street. - Seth Emerson



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[Joe West]

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:22:28 EDT

From: JWCorvair <JWCorvair@aol.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Anti-sway Bars



Hi,



I have recently received a catalog from ADDCO Industries. They list

applications for early, late, "vans," and "pickups." I was wondering if anyone

in VV has used an ADDCO rear anti-sway bar on an LM. If so, how

difficult/easy was it to install? Was the handling "improved" (i.e., did the

car corner at higher rates of speed, did you experience more/less oversteer)?

Has anyone used the ADDCO bar with the Crown adapter that relocates the lower

control struts?



I know that we have had discussions about anti-sway bars before, but I think

that these questions are specific enough to warrant responses.



Concerning the 240 Z and Corvair topics: A good 240 Z is going to be 28 to 25

years old. The aspect of the 240 Z that makes it seem more reliable is its

truck engine. The engine was originally developed for a series of vans and

heavy trucks. As such, the engine is pretty tough. Other parts of the cars

aren't so tough. As previously noted, the bodies tend to rot and the plastic

definately shows its age. However, I think that a good 240 Z is no more

reliable than my '65 Monza/Corsa. I would not hesitate to drive anywhere in my

Corvair right now, and I would do it at the 80-85 mph currently run on the

interstates in the west. Any car properly maintained and serviced over the

years will still perform at least as well as originally designed. By the way,

I like 240 Zs too, but I wouldn't trade my '65 for one. My $.02 worth.



Joe White

62 Monza Sedan (with a 140 engine)

65 Monza/Corsa



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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:17:44 -0400

From: al <albert@esslink.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: ADDCO swaybar



I purchased on last year for my V8 corvair does't fit though bell

housing in the way. It appears to install easy enough. I have heard many

negatives regarding installing rear sway bars unless you are racing and

need soft springs for a better launch then you use a sway bar to

compensate for the springs. At least thats the way they do it at

Limerock.

Al Goldstone

65 V8

66 Corsa 140 conv



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[Joe West]

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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:53:02 -0700

From: Kent Sullivan <kentsu@MICROSOFT.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: Anti-sway Bars



I bought an ADDCO bar a few years ago and was not particularly happy with

the mounting system--seemed like it was fairly imprecise and prone to

binding, especially in quick camber-change situations. So, we never

installed it.



If anyone is interested in it, I'll sell it at reduced price.



--Kent

[Joe West]

-----Original Message-----

From: JWCorvair [mailto:JWCorvair@aol.com]

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 1998 5:22 PM

To: Multiple recipients of

<VV>: Anti-sway Bars





Hi,



I have recently received a catalog from ADDCO Industries. They list

applications for early, late, "vans," and "pickups." I was wondering if

anyone

in VV has used an ADDCO rear anti-sway bar on an LM. If so, how

difficult/easy was it to install? Was the handling "improved" (i.e., did the

car corner at higher rates of speed, did you experience more/less

oversteer)?

Has anyone used the ADDCO bar with the Crown adapter that relocates the

lower

control struts?



I know that we have had discussions about anti-sway bars before, but I think

that these questions are specific enough to warrant responses.



<snip>



Joe White

62 Monza Sedan (with a 140 engine)

65 Monza/Corsa



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[Joe West]

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:18:31 -0500

From: Chuck Sadek <csadek@nswc.navy.mil>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: Anti-sway Bars



Hi all,

I have a Bob Coffin-built rear bar for late models. It is hollow, tubular

and straight. The arms are flat plate welded to the ends of the tube.

There are holes in the ends of the arms for adjustment. These are

attached by 'heim' joint to threaded rod, rubber bushing up through a hole

you drill in bottom of trailing arm. The bracket that holds the typical

hard rubber/poly-something bushing that you see in the speed catalogs is

kind of shaped like your hand if it were holding a book. It fits on either

side of the curved portion of the "frame" section inside of the trailing

arm and below the cross member attaching bracket. Dependent on spring (and

shock) setup, you can either use a small bar or none at all. You have to

remove the bracket (where you adjust toe-in) at the front of the trailing

arm to install (holes must be drilled). You lower the arm out of the way.

I am told that using the "V8" crown bracket under the axle is only good

for certain applications. For my use, Coffin suggested drilling another

set of holes above the one that the bracket comes with. This puts the new

hole about where the stock brackets put it-resulting in the same thing as

running the stock brackets.

Hope this helps. Chuck





-----Original Message-----

From: Kent Sullivan [SMTP:kentsu@MICROSOFT.com]

Sent: Sunday, April 26, 1998 10:53 AM

To: Multiple recipients of

Subject: <VV>: Re: Anti-sway Bars



I bought an ADDCO bar a few years ago and was not particularly happy with

the mounting system--seemed like it was fairly imprecise and prone to

binding, especially in quick camber-change situations. So, we never

installed it.









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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:00:10 EDT

From: Sethracer <Sethracer@aol.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: Anti-sway Bars



In a message dated 4/27/98 7:30:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

csadek@nswc.navy.mil writes:



<< I am told that using the "V8" crown bracket under the axle is only good

for certain applications. For my use, Coffin suggested drilling another

set of holes above the one that the bracket comes with. This puts the new

hole about where the stock brackets put it-resulting in the same thing as

running the stock brackets.

Hope this helps. Chuck >>



The Crown bracket also makes a good skid plate! Gotta protect those headers!!

-Seth



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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT)

From: "Bryan E. Blackwell" <bryan@thunderbolt.mitre.org>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: Anti-sway Bars



Joe writes:

>

> Hi,

>

> I have recently received a catalog from ADDCO Industries. They list

> applications for early, late, "vans," and "pickups." I was wondering if

anyone

> in VV has used an ADDCO rear anti-sway bar on an LM. If so, how

> difficult/easy was it to install? Was the handling "improved" (i.e., did the

> car corner at higher rates of speed, did you experience more/less

oversteer)?

> Has anyone used the ADDCO bar with the Crown adapter that relocates the

lower

> control struts?

>

I use an ADDCO bar on the rear of our coupe, but had to replace the end link

hardware to make it work right - the bar will bind if installed as designed.

I'm not sure if you can still get Crown style bars, but they would be better.

There's a more thorough description on my web page of how to modify the ADDCO

bar so it will work properly.





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'61 Corvair Lakewood, '65 Corvair Corsa, '66 E-type, '69 Road Runner,

'76 Ford F-250, '87 ex-Cop Gran Fury, '89 Camaro RS

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:23:10 -0600

From: Dennis & Debbie Pleau <dpleau@highfiber.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

() <VV>: Front sway bar



What is the diameter of the front sway bar on a 65. The bar on mine is

13/16" and I'm not sure it's original. The previous owner of this car had

a catalog from EELCO and ordered a little of everything.



Dennis



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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:52:49 EDT

From: Sethracer@aol.com

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

() <VV>: Re: Front sway bar



Dennis - Original bars mount to a bracket welded onto the rear edge of the

lower control arm, (This welded mount is what makes a left and right lower

control arm different.) It is possible to put a 64 bar on a 65. It is slightly

thinner. Any bar mount other that that descrobed above is not stock. Most of

the Crown bars, etc. mounted to an additional bracket bolted in place by the

front caster strut bolts, but underneath the outboard side of the A-arm. There

were a few other types sold with varying outboard mounts. -Seth



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From: NOH20CURT@aol.com

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<VV>: swayed



In a message dated 98-08-23 05:06:38 EDT, corvair@jlab.mitre.org writes:



<< A couple of years ago, I gave it or sold it to Tony Ellisen. Tony

fabricated some beautiful mounts for it. It works just fine for him. If you

had a Crown bar, he might help you out with mounts for it. Tony's number

is: 864/964-9835. Tell him Bruce sent you!



Bruce

>>

I picked up a crown rear bar at nats in Lake Placid , This year I got the

mounts at Saint Louis . The mounts look to be decent in construction not like

some " cobbed " ones I have seen before . Bars are still floating around but

some times it takes a bit of searching the swap meets to find them . NOH20CURT



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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:36:37 -0400

From: weldvair@juno.com (don e meyer)

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<VV>: SWAY BAR BUSHINGS



I have dropped the gas tank on my 66 cvt.

to replace the brake lines while converting over

to a dual master cylinder system.



At the same time I removed the steering column

and mated the upper steering shaft of a 1967

column w/the lower shaft of my 66 column.

This allow me to use a simulated wood two

spoke steering wheel with out buying the

expensive 66 adapter.This was done by using

a camaro wheel adapter(<$50.)



This was done with the greatful help of Jef Kouhg

another Central Florida Corvair member. The total

cost including the wheel was $65.



Now that it's time to put the sway bar back on , I realize

that I need new outer sway bar bushings. NAPA does

not have a listing for these! I perfer not waiting for a

order to be processed & delivered from a Corvair vendor

-DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A SUBSTITUTE?



Thanks,

Don Meyer

64 Spyder cvt

66 140 Monza cvt



In doing this I discovered that I need new outer

sway bar bushings. I don't want to wait to order these

from a vendor.



Does anyone have a substitute.





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<VV>: Re: SWAY BAR BUSHINGS



In a message dated 19-Sep-98 12:42:55 Eastern Daylight Time, weldvair@juno.com

writes:



> Now that it's time to put the sway bar back on , I realize

> that I need new outer sway bar bushings. NAPA does

> not have a listing for these! I perfer not waiting for a

> order to be processed & delivered from a Corvair vendor

> -DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A SUBSTITUTE?



It only takes a couple of days to get the parts. I think some vendors even

have overnight shipping.



Jim Burkhard



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:10:26 EDT

From: NOH20CURT@aol.com

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<VV>: sway away





Don , I use the vendor ones . I normally order 2 sets at a time ( I`m out

of them now ) . The vendor ones are your best bet , as they are correct .

NOH20CURT



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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:26:28 EDT

From: RonChoy@aol.com

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<VV>: Re: SWAY BAR BUSHINGS





In a message dated 9/19/98 4:41:33 PM, weldvair@juno.com wrote:



<< NAPA does

not have a listing for these! I perfer not waiting for a

order to be processed & delivered from a Corvair vendor>>



I know they'll do 2 day delivery, maybe they'll do ovenite? -ron 65,66



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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:13:19 -0700

From: lonwall <lonwall@corvairunderground.com>

To: Multiple recipients of <corvair@jlab.mitre.org>

<VV>: Re: SWAY BAR BUSHINGS



ot waiting for a

> order to be processed & delivered from a Corvair vendor>>

>

> An interesting comment.



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I bought a complete set of late model sway bar bushings at the Corvair

Lover's Holiday in Navvarre Beach, FL. I was trying to install them and

am having trouble figuring out how to install the ones that go inboard

of the bends on the end of the bar that the "dogbone" clamps over. Do

they have to be slid down around the two 90 degree bends or can you cut

a slit in them? I have no problem with the other bushings.



Thanks in advance,

Mike Donley

Vulcan Corvair Enthusiasts

Virtual Vairs

AACA



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I have put them on a couple of cars and just apply some liquid soap to

them to enable the bushings to slip rather easily over the bends in the

sway bar. I dont like putting grease on them because it might break

down the rubber after a few years. Just my personal opinion though.

Slitting them would, I think, cause the bushings to eventually "squeeze"

out of the clamps. Im sure youll get other comments on the how to of

this operation. The soap works, its a little messy, but it washes right

off after youve accomplished the task.



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Lubrication; properly "rubber lube" chassis joint compound.

Or Liquid Soap.

Do not use petroleum type lubricants !



I'm assuming original type bushings ?

Noticed some dark grey plastic (?) parts being sold = ???



David



Michael Donley wrote:



> I bought a complete set of late model sway bar bushings at the Corvair

> Lover's Holiday in Navvarre Beach, FL. I was trying to install them and

> am having trouble figuring out how to install the ones that go inboard

> of the bends on the end of the bar that the "dogbone" clamps over. Do

> they have to be slid down around the two 90 degree bends or can you cut

> a slit in them? I have no problem with the other bushings.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Mike Donley

> Vulcan Corvair Enthusiasts

> Virtual Vairs

> AACA

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I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is not

part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?

Thanks for any reply!



Steven, owner of '62, '66, '67/AC and '69 with 9,000miles on it.

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Attached to the lower control arms, of course!! Take a peek under the front of

that LM you got.



In a message dated 3/21/99 7:20:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, VairNut62@aol.com

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<< I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is

not

part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?

Thanks for any reply! >>

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VairNut62@aol.com wrote:

> I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is

not

> part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?>>



Sickpuppy <eb3jfk@bellatlantic.net? answered back;

<Picky, picky. I think what is meant is the front stabilizer bar.>



Hey Joe; He probably has a Mac and just throws stuff in the trunk

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SickPuppy's snappy remark;

<< More like an Imac, can't find the floppy drive to load it in, so he just

throws

it in the box.................... >>



Think of the money we've saved using "mediocre" PC's and Cars !



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Picky, picky. I think what is meant is the front stabilizer bar.



Joe Klein



VairNut62@aol.com wrote:



> I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is not

> part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?

> Thanks for any reply!

>

> Steven, owner of '62, '66, '67/AC and '69 with 9,000miles on it.

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More like an Imac, can't find the floppy drive to load it in, so he just throws

it in the box....................



PatioMatt@aol.com wrote:



> VairNut62@aol.com wrote:

> > I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is

> not

> > part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?>>

>

> Sickpuppy <eb3jfk@bellatlantic.net? answered back;

> <Picky, picky. I think what is meant is the front stabilizer bar.>

>

> Hey Joe; He probably has a Mac and just throws stuff in the trunk

> thinking it'll install itself !!!! BG

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The Front Sway Bar - tubular bar is behind the axle and in the way of removal of

the fuel tank. Outer bushing wear quickly; have considered making urethane

replacements.



The Rear "Sway" Bar aka Rear Strut Rod, Rear Control Arm, etc. - attach to the

differential case and the rear of the trailing arm.

David



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> I never heard of sway bar bushings in late model Corvair. I think it is not

> part of strut rods. Where the sway bar is located in the car?

> Thanks for any reply!

>

> Steven, owner of '62, '66, '67/AC and '69 with 9,000miles on it.



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Hey wait a minute, there's a Benz in my garage. Great car , try one sometime.



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> SickPuppy's snappy remark;

> << More like an Imac, can't find the floppy drive to load it in, so he just

> throws

> it in the box.................... >>

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> Think of the money we've saved using "mediocre" PC's and Cars !

>

> No Benz in My garage!

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